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	<title>Comments on: Comparisons of Open Source BPEL Engine Versus Oracle BPEL</title>
	<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/</link>
	<description>Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15357</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15357</guid>
		<description>Well, I did not publish the findings as right after this post I received emails from various parties saying that I should not publish this kind of personal evaluation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did not publish the findings as right after this post I received emails from various parties saying that I should not publish this kind of personal evaluation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Kibitzer</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15305</link>
		<dc:creator>The Kibitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15305</guid>
		<description>@admin, it'd be cool if you could/would post your findings. except that... they're nearly a year out of date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin, it&#8217;d be cool if you could/would post your findings. except that&#8230; they&#8217;re nearly a year out of date.</p>
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		<title>By: The Kibitzer</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15304</link>
		<dc:creator>The Kibitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-15304</guid>
		<description>John. I think you need to re-evaluate your love affair with Oracle. Open-source alternatives to the bloated Oracle suite are more than capable of meeting and exceeding Oracle's offering in every area. Oracle can't even get its own JVM memory settings right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John. I think you need to re-evaluate your love affair with Oracle. Open-source alternatives to the bloated Oracle suite are more than capable of meeting and exceeding Oracle&#8217;s offering in every area. Oracle can&#8217;t even get its own JVM memory settings right.</p>
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		<title>By: John Avery</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-8759</link>
		<dc:creator>John Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 06:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-8759</guid>
		<description>"However, for critical application, especially when high performance is required, and high load is expected, I would suggest that you go with Apache ODE, if BPEL is absolutely needed."

What a ridiculous statement. Oracle's BPEL engine is in use by many major corporations in a mission critical role. I don't know of any major (commercial) integration projects using Apache ODE.

This post was written only a few months after the very first release of ODE and it makes claims like this (with no data to back it up as many have mentioned).

I'd like to see a viable open source alternative to BPEL go mainstream but I think ODE is a long way from that.

I also echo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, for critical application, especially when high performance is required, and high load is expected, I would suggest that you go with Apache ODE, if BPEL is absolutely needed.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a ridiculous statement. Oracle&#8217;s BPEL engine is in use by many major corporations in a mission critical role. I don&#8217;t know of any major (commercial) integration projects using Apache ODE.</p>
<p>This post was written only a few months after the very first release of ODE and it makes claims like this (with no data to back it up as many have mentioned).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a viable open source alternative to BPEL go mainstream but I think ODE is a long way from that.</p>
<p>I also echo</p>
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		<title>By: Paran</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-7360</link>
		<dc:creator>Paran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-7360</guid>
		<description>Hello,

Please share your performance benchmarks of ActiveBPEL.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Please share your performance benchmarks of ActiveBPEL.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-560</guid>
		<description>I will post the details of my findings soon. Note  this is just our internal benchmarks. You can always perform your benchmarking based on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will post the details of my findings soon. Note  this is just our internal benchmarks. You can always perform your benchmarking based on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Harald Reinmueller</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Harald Reinmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-528</guid>
		<description>Please do not just post your summary. Provide the testcases and the detailed results of your benchmark. Without this information its really hard to comprehend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not just post your summary. Provide the testcases and the detailed results of your benchmark. Without this information its really hard to comprehend.</p>
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		<title>By: Intalio, Leader in Open Source BPMS &#187; Apache ODE &#8220;Fastest BPEL Engine&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Intalio, Leader in Open Source BPMS &#187; Apache ODE &#8220;Fastest BPEL Engine&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-511</guid>
		<description>[...] recent review on the twit88.com blog, compares Apache ODE with two other BPEL [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] recent review on the twit88.com blog, compares Apache ODE with two other BPEL [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: fholahan</title>
		<link>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>fholahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://twit88.com/blog/2007/09/11/comparisons-of-open-source-bpel-engine-versus-oracle-bpel/#comment-2</guid>
		<description>Please identify yourself and post all information related to your "benchmarking", including BPEL process definitions, test data, test platforms, test runs/results, and other environmental details (for example, were all engines configured with message validation on/off?).  Anonymous posters who publish their "conclusions" without providing any details are always subject to speculation that they are secretly aligned with a particular vendor.  Perhaps this is not true in your case.  Tell us who you are and provide us with details about your tests so we can decide for ourselves whether the results are objective and meaningful.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please identify yourself and post all information related to your &#8220;benchmarking&#8221;, including BPEL process definitions, test data, test platforms, test runs/results, and other environmental details (for example, were all engines configured with message validation on/off?).  Anonymous posters who publish their &#8220;conclusions&#8221; without providing any details are always subject to speculation that they are secretly aligned with a particular vendor.  Perhaps this is not true in your case.  Tell us who you are and provide us with details about your tests so we can decide for ourselves whether the results are objective and meaningful.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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